[Part 50 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: Restoring the Apostles’ Doctrine
Date: 5/5/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Restorationists would say the model for the “new birth” and Christian living is in the New Testament, and that’s what we should follow; If you don’t embrace that teaching, on what authority do you get to say that the normative experiences of the New Testament are no longer valid?; Speaking in tongues is a normative experience in the book of Acts, and seems to be linked with the reception of the Holy Spirit; If you say that speaking in tongues was for the apostles but not for today, on what authority can you say that?; Epistemology – How can you know something is true and on what authority?; Those questions go away when you simply lift up the New Testament as your model and follow it obediently; To what degree can you change the model and still have authentic Christianity?; Scholars admit that the New Testament pattern/model of baptism is submersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ–to what extent can you change the model and it still be authentic Christian experience?
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[Part 49 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: Restoring the Apostles’ Doctrine
Date: 5/5/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Restorationists would say that the model for the normal Christian experience is the New Testament; You don’t stop at the Pentecostal movement in 1901 or 1906, John Wesley, the Calvinist Awakenings, Calvin, Luther, or creeds and councils–you go to where the original Christian experience is documented (the New Testament); What is the model for normative Christian doctrine and experience, and who gets to decide? – Only the Scripture has the authority to answer that question; If there were no model, it would be up to every individual, church, and tradition to come up with what they feel is the normal Christian experience/doctrine; Unfortunately that is exactly what has happened over time
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[Part 48 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: Restoring the Apostles’ Doctrine
Date: 5/5/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Restoring the Apostles’ doctrine; Restorationism (Primitivism) – appealing to what is primitive/ancient/old/original; Model/example for normative Christianity; All of Christian belief and practice–in one way or another–is built upon the New Testament; Logically speaking, the normative Christian experience is in the New Testament; Individual, unique experiences with God cannot be lifted up as the “norm”
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[Part 47 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Pentecostal Movement
Date: 4/28/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Challenge to take the Bible prayerfully and ask, “God, what do you want for my life?”; This is not a conversation about you and church history, it’s a conversation about you, the Bible, and God; You don’t seek to be faithful to a tradition, you seek to be faithful to this Revelation; Ask the question, “Is it in this Book, and does God want me to have it?”; If you pray that way, God will lead you exactly to what you need–God will reveal Himself to you; Restorationism – Restoring the Apostles’ doctrine; The Protestant Reformation said “sola scriptura” (Scripture alone) as well, but that’s not what they did; Principles about coming to Scripture and not tainting it by human reasoning or ideas
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[Part 46 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Pentecostal Movement
Date: 4/28/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: This story shows us how a group of people went on a journey, trying to get back to what the Scripture says; They found out that when they obeyed Scripture, it lead them to an understanding that Spirit baptism is evidenced with tongues, it’s part of the “new birth”, and the only way people were baptized was invoking the name of the Lord Jesus Christ; Parham, Seymour, Azusa Street, Ewart, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Augustine–we glean from their insights, but our ultimate and sole authority is Scripture; Scripture is our starting point and our ending point; History of the United Pentecostal Church; Authentic practices, experiences, and beliefs revealed in the Bible; The ultimate conversation is not about the Reformation, or Azusa Street, or any other street… it’s about what has God revealed to us in His Word, and how we can be faithful to it
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[Part 45 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Pentecostal Movement
Date: 4/28/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Quote from Edith Blumhofer, Assemblies of God Pentecostal scholar (Assemblies of God are trinitarian and do not believe that Spirit baptism is essential); If you follow the restorationist hermeneutic (understanding of Scripture) that Pentecostalism started with, oneness Pentecostals follow it more rigidly than the rest; Pentecostalism is trying to restore the apostles’ doctrine, but trinitarian Pentecostals borrowed a whole bunch of things from mainline Christianity; Oneness Pentecostals backed up and evaluated all of it through the lens of Scripture; History is not our authority for doctrine–all history does is show us the extent to which people have been faithful to Scripture; The authority rests on Scripture
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[Part 44 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Pentecostal Movement
Date: 4/28/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Frank Ewart said the apostles’ practice (of baptizing in Jesus’ name) was linked to their understanding that Jesus Christ was God manifested in flesh, not just one person of God manifested in flesh; Ewart claimed that the name of Jesus Christ was invoked in baptism by the apostles in full obedience to Matthew 28:19–they knew exactly what they were doing; We only have record of people being baptized in the New Testament in the name of Jesus; On April 15th, 1914, Ewart preached his first message on Acts 2:38, declaring that repentance, baptism in Jesus’ name, and the infilling of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of tongues is New Testament salvation; He also associated the name of Jesus in baptism with the “oneness” of God; Divergence in Pentecostal history between trinitarian Pentecostals and oneness Pentecostals; Ewart and his fellow minister, Glen Cook, re-baptized each other in Jesus’ name; Standing against an established tradition–the Anabaptists got killed for doing this stuff; 300 years earlier in Europe, Frank Ewart and Glen Cook would have been killed
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[Part 43 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Pentecostal Movement
Date: 4/28/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: World-Wide Camp Meeting in Arroyo Seco, California in 1913; Robert McAlister preaches the baptism sermon–points out that in the New Testament they didn’t baptize by triple immersion in the trinitarian formula; A guy named John Schaeppe was in the audience–he began praying and studying, and in the middle of the night he ran through the camp screaming “I see it! I see it! I see it!”; He had an understanding of Jesus’ name baptism in the New Testament; McAlister later preaches his first sermon on the exclusive use of the name of Jesus in baptism in Winnepeg in 1913–30 people were baptized in Jesus’ name; McAlister began working with Frank Ewart, who concluded that the apostles baptized in the name of Jesus because Jesus was the full revelation of the Godhead bodily
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[Part 42 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Pentecostal Movement
Date: 4/28/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: William Durham got the conversation going for people trying to get back to what Scripture says–back to what New Testament salvation is; The next big issue in the Pentecostal movement–”the new issue”; The entire Pentecostal movement is founded on restorationist principles; Charles Parham asked the question, “What does the Bible say about Spirit baptism?”; Processing everything through Scripture instead of history and creeds; The “new issue” leads to Jesus’ name baptism and an acknowledgment of the “oneness” of God; Christocentric worship, theology, and vocabulary; Exaltation/elevation of the name of Jesus; Before the “new issue”, there were already some who baptized invoking the name of Jesus Christ–Charles Parham, Andrew Urshan, etc.
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[Part 41 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Pentecostal Movement
Date: 4/28/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: William Durham began preaching what he called the “finished work of Calvary”; Said that sanctification (holiness) is actually part of the “new birth” experience–there is no second experience of sanctification; Challenged the entire Holiness movement establishment and theology by saying there is no “saved and sanctified”; Believed that you get saved, and the power of God’s grace in that saving act is power to sanctify you; Durham said that what Jesus purchased for us in salvation is enough, there’s nothing else we can get except the salvation that Jesus brings; Durham collapses sanctification back into the “new birth”, but he still keeps Spirit baptism as a second experience; Went from three works of grace down to two; Still affirmed Acts 2:38 as the fullest sense of salvation–said that a person who was really living for God wouldn’t just be saved, but would go on to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost; Theological division in the Pentecostal movement–denominations that went with Durham’s theology think of the Holy Ghost as an “added blessing” (not essential for salvation); Practical outcomes of theology about the baptism of the Spirit; The average United Pentecostal Church has around 90% of teens and adults filled with the baptism of the Holy Ghost
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[Part 40 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Pentecostal Movement
Date: 4/28/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: William Durham was a Baptist minister–came from the Baptist tradition; He receives the baptism of the Holy Spirit at Azusa Street; Durham comes to three conclusions after receiving the baptism of the Spirit with the evidence of tongues: 1) The baptism of the Holy Spirit was a different kind of experience–unlike anything he had experienced before, 2) He couldn’t claim the baptism of the Spirit, he had to wait until He came, 3) Speaking in tongues was the sign of this experience
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[Part 39 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Pentecostal Movement
Date: 4/28/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Azusa Street; William Seymour; Started in 1906 and lasted until 1909; Services every single day; Mixed congregation; Holiness churches; People from all around the world heard about the Azusa Street Revival; Missionaries came, received the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and took the message back to their countries; The Pentecostal message spread around the world from Azusa Street; Charles Parham was arguably the “father” of the Pentecostal movement, but the work at Azusa Street under William Seymour propelled it into a global, world-wide movement; The baptism of the Spirit became the normal, accepted experience of those who came seeking it–it became normalized; “Saved/Sanctified/Filled with the Spirit” message about to change; First controversy in the Pentecostal movement; Trying to get back to what the Bible says; Jesus’ name baptism
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[Part 38 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Pentecostal Movement
Date: 4/28/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Parham began traveling and preaching a “saved-sanctified-filled with the Spirit” message; No objective criteria for getting sanctified; William Seymour–holiness preacher, grandson of slaves; Parham agreed to allow Seymour to sit out in the hallway of his Bible college in Houston; Seymour heard and embraced the doctrine of being able to receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost with tongues, but he had not received it; He made a trip to Los Angeles and began preaching this message; They had prayer meetings in various houses and then moved to the Azusa Street Mission; One of the owners of the houses received the baptism of the Holy Ghost, and it sparked the great Azusa Street revival
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[Part 37 of an ongoing series]
Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Pentecostal Movement
Date: 4/28/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Holiness movement started using “Pentecostal” as an adjective (Pentecostal experience, etc.); Rallying cry of “Back to Pentecost”; Speaking with other tongues; Experiences with God; Baptism of the Holy Spirit language; Sanctification; Charles Parham – holiness preacher; Parham looked at scripture and felt like there was a distinct experience of being baptized in the Holy Spirit; He asked his bible college students to determine what is the New Testament evidence that a person is filled/baptized with the Holy Spirit; After study and prayer, they came to the conclusion that it was speaking with other tongues; They began to pray and receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in other tongues; Parham began to travel and teach this–there were notable revivals in Kansas, Missouri, Illinois, Houston, etc.
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