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Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 14

Posted by on Tuesday, 26 June, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss being led by the Spirit in organic church

[Part 14 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes: That’s really a huge problem, is that so many people are just close-minded… they don’t have any openness… they’re just satisfied with the status quo, and if you come along and suggest that there’s a better way and a better covenant and of all that… it’s like they think you’re from the moon or something, and they don’t really want to be challenged… they’re happy with the way things are, and that’s the way it is; That’s so dangerous because usually when people are complacent and lethargic, it’s indicative of the fact that their spiritual life isn’t really being challenged, and they’re not really growing, they’re just stagnating; 1 Cor. 2:9-16… through the Spirit, He has revealed all these things to us; We are of the Spirit… we need to live by the Spirit… the truth is revealed by the Spirit; We have to come to the place where we learn from Him… we don’t just learn of Him, but we have to learn from Him; We’re living in a very important time… things have been locked up for such a time as this, so that the plans of the Lord will be fulfilled

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 13

Posted by on Monday, 25 June, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss the importance of having your paradigm challenged and seeking truth with a community of believers…

[Part 13 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes: 
Life; Freedom; People who come out of institutional church for a more simplistic form of church; The idea of having your paradigm challenged, and then changing your paradigm to some degree, is a very important experience for believers because what it does is it makes you realize that you don’t have all the truth, and you probably need to learn some more things as time goes on, as the Lord leads; It’s a journey, it’s not something that comes overnight; We need help, so we need to be checking ourselves with other people… that’s why it’s a corporate experience–we’re not lone rangers, we’re part of a body, so we need each other; That keeps us from going to the legalistic route, or the libertinism route, or whatever route it might be

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 12

Posted by on Saturday, 23 June, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss the simple, but Spirit-filled life of organic church

[Part 12 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes: Organic church; We have to change that place of our dependence… from leaders, to Christ; This is about Christ-centeredness–this is the organic way, it’s the New Testament way; God is not looking for us to have our buildings anymore, He is looking for us to be the temple of God, to be living stones, and to function through Him; The early church was simple, but in that simplicity it was Spirit-led; Most people can’t handle vulnerability… it is too much for them–they want everything to be spelled out; When you come into a meeting and you don’t know what’s gonna happen, that is something that is very difficult for people, and that’s a new paradigm that people have to become comfortable with; A free and open atmosphere is so conducive to growth… but everybody knows that the worst form–the absolute worst form of communication–is a monologue, which is exactly what a sermon in; So we need a dialogue, not a monologue

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 11

Posted by on Saturday, 23 June, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss how Paul addresses the entire body of Christ in Corinth, not just the leadership…

[Part 11 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes:
 1 Cor. 1:4-9; The Corinthians had a boatload of problems, but still Paul acknowledges their giftedness and he gives thanks for them… so it wasn’t like they were all bad or that they were just totally wasted people, no, he had many encouraging things to say about them, but, he used that as a springboard then to approach their issues that they had; What’s very significant is that he addresses the body of Christ to deal with immorality, disputes, all those issues… he does not address the leadership, he does not fault the elders for not doing this or that… he confronts the body–Why? Because the keys of the kingdom were given to them by Jesus Christ, and they had the authority to carry out His will; With all their problems, Paul still assumed that they could deal with the issues that were in their midst by believing of the Lord and the apostolic word that was coming to them; Paul doesn’t even deal with the leadership… he deals with the body

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 10

Posted by on Wednesday, 20 June, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss the simplicity of organic church life in the New Testament…

[Part 10 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes: 
One of the things that is happening is taking your dependence away from being force-fed every week; The greatest moves of the New Testament in Acts–the outpouring of the Holy Spirit–all of that happened and they didn’t have the big worship band, they didn’t have the big charade coming out to get you there… it was simple; There was no bureaucracy, they could get things done, they could distribute food and money to people who had needs, and all of that; They didn’t have to go through committees, and all that kind of stuff; It was simple, and yet it was dynamic; It was life, it was the life of Christ coming out of them, and so they responded to needs; That’s the beauty of simple church, is that you can respond to things without having to wait five months… when the Lord is leading, you can act

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 9

Posted by on Wednesday, 20 June, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell compare the accoutrements of the institutional church to the simplicity of organic church life in the New Testament…

[Part 9 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes:
 People who come out of institutional churches generally carry a lot of baggage with them; The reality is that when groups are trying to meet in a Christ-centered way, they’re gonna have to face this baggage that people have; One thing that would help people who have the baggage would be some good teaching from the Word of God where they can begin to see, “hey, there’s no emphasis on a building, there’s no emphasis on a worship band, there’s no emphasis on people up front”, and all that; So they begin to be liberated to see that all the accoutrements that they thought were so important aren’t there in the New Testament; Isn’t it striking that the most powerful period there in the book of Acts… they had none of the accoutrements that we think are so important;  What does God’s Word really teach? What has the Lord given us? What are His concerns? That’s where we should really put our emphasis

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 8

Posted by on Thursday, 14 June, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss organic church and our shared life in Christ…

[Part 8 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes:
 We’re made to function together as a body; Whatever the form may take, which should be minimal, should be the result of life flowing out of people, not the result of an assumption; We are the church, we are the ekklesia, we are in Christ, we have His life; Organic means life–it’s not synthetic, it’s not something that’s unnatural–it’s something that comes from the Holy Spirit’s regenerating power in people and bringing them to life in Christ, and then that’s where things start; How Christians meet together (in light of the New Testament) should be characterized by a minimal organization–the emphasis should be on the life of the people, and whatever form there is, should be only there to enable the functioning of the people, not to stifle it or to direct it

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 7

Posted by on Thursday, 14 June, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss organic church and how we are all part of the body of Christ

[Part 7 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes: There is no difference between clergy and laity–we are all called, we are all part of the body of Christ; Organic church–getting back to the New Testament; We have a spiritual DNA; Ekklesia; You start with life; What direction does our DNA take us?

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 6

Posted by on Sunday, 3 June, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss the changing paradigms of pastors coming out of the institutional church

[Part 6 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes:
 When people who are church leaders begin to see that a lot of what they’ve been doing is really out of line with the kingdom of Christ, it’s very hard to change paradigms and to go in a different direction cause it has so many implications and ramifications; The Body is a body, and it needs all the parts, and [the pastor] is just one part–he has a function, but it’s not to be the function in the church, and to run everything, and manage everything, and do everything; The institution is not friendly to New Testament ekklesia–it tends to be very defensive and can often lash out with a vengeance to maintain the status quo; This is not a new teaching that we’re talking about… this is about getting back to the New Testament–getting back to the Word of God; Can we address the truth, with eyes of truth?

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 5

Posted by on Thursday, 31 May, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss some of the ways that the institutional church has gone astray, and what to do about it.

[Part 5 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes: 
It’s a sad system… and many pastors are hurting, but they’re taught to basically just keep it to themselves; The only place they can share their burdens would be with other pastors, and so they have to go to ministers conferences…; We just create this whole system where there are all these pieces that have to fit together, and so pastors end up getting caught up in all this way of thinking; If a person really gets serious about the fact that the clergy position is not biblical and is creating more problems than it solves, they would be wise to take steps in their own life and their own ministry to… just function among the people as a brother–to step away, and begin to let the body of Christ come forth… and let others begin to function

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 4

Posted by on Sunday, 27 May, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss some of the ways that the institutional church has gone astray…

[Part 4 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes: When you put that much burden on one person [the pastor], is it any wonder that they crack so often?; God never intended anybody to carry that kind of burden; Paul said in 1 Cor. 12, the body is not one part, but many… what would happen if our body tried to function with one part doing everything?; If we look at the body of Christ today and we see that for the most part, the domination of one part–is it any wonder that the body is not in health? If our physical wouldn’t operate like that, how would a spiritual body operate?; The only head–the only final leader–is Jesus… He’s the head of the church, He’s the one who is watching over the church, and He never intended for one person to be a head honcho in the church

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 3

Posted by on Thursday, 24 May, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss some of the ways that the institutional church has gone astray…

[Part 3 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes:
 Unfortunately Luther and Calvin and Zwingli and the Reformers basically maintained and continued the clergy/laity distinction–they broke with overt Catholicism, but they did not break with the basic problem of the clergy being elevated above the laity, so that Protestantism never really was reformed fully in terms of liberating the body of Christ; In terms of the priesthood of all believers really becoming a functioning thing in the reformed Reformation churches never really happened, because they just pushed the sacramental table out, and put the pulpit in its place… and so now instead of having the centrality of the mass, you now had the centrality of the preacher, and so the sermon became the climax of the Protestant meeting; Unfortunately the laity is just sitting there passively… the gifts of all the brethren are basically just lying dormant and not really doing anything, because there’s no opportunity given; The bottom line is the New Testament has a much bigger vision

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 2

Posted by on Sunday, 20 May, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss some of the ways that the institutional church has gone astray…

[Part 2 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes: 
There’s nothing more fundamentally pervasive in the religious system–all religious groups have clergy/laity in terms of mainline denominations; It’s just assumed that there are clergy and there are laity… it’s an assumption that looms behind everything that’s done; And yet when you look at the New Testament scholars from all stripes who have looked at the situation in the New Testament, they all admit that there is no clergy/laity distinction in the New Testament; You’ve got hundreds and hundreds of Christians who are just basically sitting passively in pews and singing some songs, and putting money in the plate and listening to a sermon and going home, and there’s no participation of the body–there’s no development of the gifts resident in every believer; The body of Christ is stifled by this clergy/laity distinction; It’s just basically assumed that only certain people can baptize others, only certain people can do the Lord’s Supper, only certain people can teach–there’s all these assumptions, and they’re all wrong; When you look at the New Testament, you see a totally different picture… it was a body with all the parts participating and contributing

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 1

Posted by on Wednesday, 16 May, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss some of the ways in which the institutional church has gone astray…

[Part 1 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes:
 Jon Zens’ book “A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile“; Is this what Jesus died for, to create this religious bureaucracy that we have?; As you look back over church history, one of the very fundamental and key factors that caused the direction of the visible body of Christ to go astray was the development of the clergy/laity system; Since anywhere between 150-250 AD you had the development of the separation in the body of Christ of those that were ordained and those who weren’t, and we came to call that the clergy/laity distinction