Waking Jonah

This is post #200 on Waking Jonah!

[Part 7 of an 8-Part series]

Show: The Jesse Woodrow Show
Full Podcast: CHRISTIANS vs MARTIAL LAW and THE GREAT TRIBULATION
Date: 2/25/10
Host: Jesse Woodrow
Topics: Jesus put the ear of the servant Malchus back on; He told Simon Peter to put his sword away; Even in the face of death, Jesus didn’t authorize or accept violence; Not one verse in the entire New Testament says you should commit violence against anyone; We know there will be a great tribulation… would God have you pick up your arms and shoot and kill the person at your door?; How did the first church respond to the greatest persecution in the history of mankind?–They did not respond violently

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[Part 6 of an 8-Part series]

Show: The Jesse Woodrow Show
Full Podcast: CHRISTIANS vs MARTIAL LAW and THE GREAT TRIBULATION
Date: 2/25/10
Host: Jesse Woodrow
Topics: New Testament; 1st Church; Persecution; Book of Acts; Paul; Prison; Epistles; Boldness; Peter; John; Acts 4; Acts 16; Earthquake; Baptism

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[Part 5 of an 8-Part series]

Show: The Jesse Woodrow Show
Full Podcast: CHRISTIANS vs MARTIAL LAW and THE GREAT TRIBULATION
Date: 2/25/10
Host: Jesse Woodrow
Topics: The apostles were put in prison, but God allowed an earthquake to happen and they were set free; Not one verse in the New Testament calls on the Church to take up arms against anyone; Some of Paul’s greatest work was done in prison; Trust in God, not guns!

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[Part 4 of an 8-Part series]

Show: The Jesse Woodrow Show
Full Podcast: CHRISTIANS vs MARTIAL LAW and THE GREAT TRIBULATION
Date: 2/25/10
Host: Jesse Woodrow
Topics: The Book of Acts; Most persecuted church in history; Did they commit violent acts against the people that were persecuting them?; Acts 4:13; The apostles did nothing violent against the people in charge; They prayed and sang praises to God; Acts 16:25-26

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In this clip, a fellow “prewrather” named Goldmaker calls in to the Jesse Woodrow Show to discuss the timing of the Rapture.

I agree with Mr. Goldmaker regarding the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church. I believe the Rapture will occur AFTER the persecution/tribulation/wrath of Satan (through Antichrist) but BEFORE the wrath of God, as indicated in the following chart:

Click here for a more detailed explanation of the differences between the “Post-Trib” and “Pre-Wrath” viewpoints.

[I believe Jesse essentially holds to a "Pre-Wrath" perspective, but prefers the "Post-Trib" label in order to emphasize that the Rapture occurs AFTER the tribulation/persecution/wrath of Satan through Antichrist.]

Show: The Jesse Woodrow Show
Full Podcast: Freedom of Speech Fridays
Date: 2/12/10
Host: Jesse Woodrow
Topics: Post-Trib/Pre-Wrath Rapture; Tribulation; Battle of Armageddon; The days are “cut short”; Luke 17:28-29

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Happy New Year everyone!!!

May you be filled with the incomparable power of the Spirit of God in 2010…

Show: Preemption Broadcast
Full Podcast: Daniel Chapter 4
Host: Russ Dizdar
Topics: 1 John 4 – greater is the one who lives is in you than the one who lives in the world; Ephesians 5 – be filled with the Spirit of God; Acts 1 – you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you; Luke 24 – you shall be clothed with power from on high; That should be the evidence of all believers; Just be surrendered to Jesus–ask Him to clothe you, fill you, saturate you with the power of the Spirit of God; Every single person that was “Spirit filled” in the Book of Acts was an effective soul-winner; The presence, power, radiance, love, and the fire of God was on them; Ephesians 1; Know the incomparably great power for us who believe–the same kind of power that raised Jesus from the dead; What you receive by faith can be manifested when you’re living out in obedience

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Chuck Baldwin discusses the need for pastors to return to the plain, simple message of the Gospel…

[Part 2 of a 2-Part series]

Show: Future Quake
Full Podcast: The Spiritual Nature Of The New World Order And Their Plans, And The Duty For Christians To Confront It
Date: 11/30/09
Host: Dr. Future
Guest: Chuck Baldwin
Topics: The American Evangelical community is now known to prefer social control, the police state, and “fighting boogeymen” like the “war on drugs” or the “war on terror”; Our “Disney-fication” of American history glosses over the trespasses of our own nation; Pastors need to preach the Bible as it is, not recreation/entertainment style evangelism or prosperity theology; We need to get back to the true preaching of the Word of God; We can’t expect the world to be attracted to our message by simply becoming another “Disneyland”; The teaching of Christ gives men hope for the future; Entertainment/recreation/prosperity style preaching and teaching has watered down the Truth to the point that it’s no longer recognizable; It’s incumbent on pastors to teach the true Scripture and true Gospel from the pulpit

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Chuck Baldwin: An Open Letter To America’s Christians

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Chuck Baldwin and Dr. Future discuss the urgency for evangelical Christians to wake up and become the “salt and light” that God has called us to be…

[Part 1 of a 2-Part series]

Show: Future Quake
Full Podcast: The Spiritual Nature Of The New World Order And Their Plans, And The Duty For Christians To Confront It
Date: 11/30/09
Host: Dr. Future
Guest: Chuck Baldwin
Topics: Evangelical Christians need to wake up; For the most part we have been in a protracted state of slumber; We have lost sight of what it has meant in ages past to be a Christian; We’ve lost the edge about what it means to be “salt and light”; We are losing our freedoms and liberties, and if we do not take an active role in fighting for those principles, they will be lost

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Chuck Baldwin: An Open Letter To America’s Christians

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In the audio clip below, Ryan Habbena from Signet Ring Ministries lays out some of the basic tenets of the Pre-Wrath Rapture perspective.

Here’s an excerpt from a more detailed explanation of the view (posted on the Prewrath Resource Institute website):

“The timing issue can be settled if the beginning of the Day of the Lord can be determined within the frame work of end-time events. The Prewrath position acknowledges that the eschatological Day of the Lord will be signaled by a sign given in the sun, moon, and stars, a sign distinctly described in the eschatological book of Joel. Jesus indicates in the Olivet Discourse that His Parousia will immediately follow the sign Joel prophesied, which marks the inception of the eschatological Day of the Lord. Jesus also indicated in His revelation to John that Joel’s sign in the sun, moon, and stars will be the sign that announces the day in which His wrath begins, a sign given in the heavenlies that will be displayed at the breaking of the sixth seal.

Therefore, as one compares the six seals to the events outlined in the Olivet Discourse, one quickly sees that the rapture must occur after the Seventieth Week of Daniel begins, after the mid-point of that same Week has begun, and after Satan/Antichrist’s persecution of the Church is cut short (Matt. 24:22) when the sign of the eschatological Day of the Lord and the parousia of Christ is given in the sun, moon, and stars. The exact day or hour when the sixth seal will be broken is not detailed in the Scriptures (Matt. 24:36), but when that happens it will announce to the entire world the inception of the eschatological Day of the Lord.”

Here is a basic comparison of the four primary views on the timing of the Rapture:

Show: Echo Zoe
Full Podcast: Ryan Habbena: Pre-Wrath Rapture – Part 1
Date: 8/9/08
Host: Andy Olson
Guest: Ryan Habbena
Topics: Pre-Wrath view of Rapture–the name is new, but the understanding is not; A lot of early church fathers could have been labeled “Pre-Wrath” because they held to the essence of the view; Distinct from Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, and Post-Trib; The Rapture will become imminent at a certain point in time, it just isn’t imminent yet; Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath are similar in that they both believe the Church is exempt from the wrath of God–where they disagree is in what constitutes the “wrath of God”; Pre-Wrath’s contention is that the wrath of God consists of the Day of the Lord–that is what we are promised to be exempt from; The Day of the Lord does not begin until sometime in the second half of Daniel’s 70th week

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Russ Dizdar from Preemption Broadcast discusses the unstoppable force of growing believers that are living in the supernatural power and presence of God.

Show: Preemption Broadcast
Full Podcast: SHOOTERS AND THE BLACK AWAKENING
Date: 11/8/09
Host: Russ Dizdar
Topics: The safest and most powerful place to live is in obedience to the great commission, in the power of the Spirit of God, as a growing, powerful believer; Believers in the early church seemed unstoppable; Just because darkness is rearing its head, that doesn’t mean that God’s power and promises have faded even for a moment; The real, supernatural presence of God; Are you saved?–Do you have the living Christ dwelling in your heart?; Philippians 1:6 – “He who began a good work in you, will carry it on to completion to the day of Christ“; Spiritual warfare is ramping up, but it never goes beyond the armor of God; Rid yourself of all fear–trust Christ!

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[Editor's note: If you have not yet listened to the previous series featuring Charles Cooper (The Great Tribulation: Is Fighting An Option?), I highly recommend you check that out before beginning this new series.]

Regardless of where you stand on the timing of the Rapture, I believe this teaching from Charles Cooper is of utmost importance to the Church today.

For the majority of my life I held to a Pre-Trib Rapture position, but about 9 months ago I began to be challenged on the soundness of the Pre-Trib doctrine. When I started reading the Scriptures with more of a normal, natural, face-value approach I was quite shocked at what I discovered.

One thing I can tell you for certain is that it’s worth your time to look into the Pre-Wrath Rapture perspective. If you aren’t able to dive into a full-blown study of it right away, at least go to the prewrathrapture.com website and subscribe to the email updates. You’ll be sure to get some posts sent your way that will really make you think…

I believe the teaching presented by Mr. Cooper is highly relevant for both current and future generations of believers. Whether you think we will personally face Antichrist or not, the bottom line is that a generation of Christians most certainly will.

Either way, it’s a worthy endeavor to study what the believer’s response to intense persecution should be, both before and during the Great Tribulation. Whether it’s us that goes through it, or some future generation of “tribulation saints”, we need to be speaking and writing about these things so Christians know how to lean upon God, not their own understanding, during the End Times.

This will make more sense as you work through the series, and my hope and prayer is that you’ll stick with it, even if you don’t agree with everything Cooper is saying. This teaching, as with the previous series, is difficult and weighty… but in my own personal experience, blessings abound when you consider what God’s Word has to say about these matters.

[Part 1 of a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Flight is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 9/6/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: A significant number of believers would be unable to hide; The evacuation of a metropolitan area would be next to impossible  

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I know this has been a very sobering teaching series… as you listen to this final audio clip from Charles Cooper, please take the following verses to heart:

“I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33)

“So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day. For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:16-18)

[Part 6 in a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Fighting is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 8/31/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: The spirit of injustice will be almost unbearable; The level of abuse and persecution will be unparalleled and there will be no remedy; That’s when we have to depend on our God; Some generation of believers will have to face this, and the church is doing absolutely nothing to get people ready–we must be ready; Fighting simply is not an option; We have not been given a spirit of fear; The will of God be done

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Charles Cooper discusses whether or not Christians should take up arms and physically fight against Antichrist and his minions during the Great Tribulation…

[Part 2 in a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Fighting is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 8/31/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: Revelation 6:9-11; God says He won’t take vengeance until the entire “number” of martyrs have been killed; It is the will of God that the saints are allowed to die–God is allowing it, not preventing it; That throws a monkey wrench in the plan to fight back; You can’t fight against what God is allowing to happen; What Antichrist and his minions are being allowed to do is under the sovereign hand of God; What is the correct response?… just sit back and wait for them to decide to kill you?; The people God is allowing to be killed are faithful followers, not unfaithful Christians

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This is the first of several posts dealing with the subject of whether or not there is a biblical basis for taking up arms against Antichrist and his minions during the Great Tribulation.

The reality is that a generation of Christians will face the most unprecedented persecution that the world has ever known. This is a very sobering reality. But it is one that we can’t ignore. What should the believer’s response be to this kind of persecution, and how can we prepare ahead of time so as not to wander from the Lord and lean upon our own understanding?

This will be a difficult teaching, especially for those that adhere to the pre-trib rapture position (which is what I believed in up until about 6 months ago). I pray that you will stick with this series until the end–I believe it has biblically sound, Spirit-led teaching about FAITH that you may not find anywhere else…

[Part 1 in a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Fighting is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 8/31/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: The degree of lawlessness during the Great Tribulation; Killing will be the order of the day–injustice will prevail; No biblical basis for killing someone to save your life; Lots of verses tell you “if you live by the sword, you will die by the sword”, “if you’re trying to save your life, you will lose your life”; The reality of a generation of believers facing this kind of intense persecution–the call to be sober; What are we going to do if physically fighting is not an option? 

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