Waking Jonah

In the audio clip below, Derek & Sharon Gilbert discuss the Waking Jonah podcast (thanks guys!) and the Pre-Wrath Rapture model.

Here are some quick-links to the Charles Cooper audio clips I’ve posted on this site to date:

Facing Antichrist: Fight, Flight, Or Faith?
Facing Antichrist: Are We Willing To Die For Jesus?
Charles Cooper: What’s Happening In Israel – Part 1 (Part 2 / 3)
The Great Tribulation: Is Fighting An Option? – Part 1 (Part 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6)
The Great Tribulation: Is Fleeing An Option? – Part 1 (Part 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6)
The Great Tribulation: Faith Is The Only Option – Part 1 (Part 2 / 3 / 4)

Show: P.I.D. Radio
Full Podcast: P.I.D. Radio 12/6/09: Copenhagen, Hopenhagen, or Gropenhagen?
Date: 12/6/09
Hosts: Derek Gilbert, Sharon Gilbert
Topics: Waking Jonah podcast; Cognitive dissonance; Charles Cooper; The Pre-Wrath model for the End Times timeline; Whether it’s Pre-Trib or Pre-Wrath, we have today, and that’s it; If we’re gone on the first day of Daniel’s 70th Week, then we leave something behind; If we’re still here during a portion of it, then we need to prepare now; We need to learn as much as we can and be on our knees as much as we can; What is the proper Christian response? Do we stock up on gold and guns to get through the tribulation portion leading up to the Day of the Lord, or do we not?; Charles Cooper’s position–backed by Scripture–is that we are not supposed to fight the forces of the Antichrist with guns

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Editor’s note: Please see also the two previous Charles Cooper series:

The Great Tribulation: Is Fighting An Option?
The Great Tribulation: Is Fleeing An Option?

In this clip, Charles Cooper concludes the discussion about faith–not fight or flight–being the only option during the Great Persecution of Antichrist.

To study these topics in greater depth, Cooper’s book “Fight, Flight or Faith: How to Survive the Great Tribulation” is an excellent resource.

[Part 4 of a 4-Part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Faith is the Only Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 9/20/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: To endure we must be people of great faith; You’re going to have to trust the sovereign plan of God; What He is allowing to happen is His will, and what He allows to happen to you is His will for your life; How you respond will indicate whether or not you fully appreciate that; Our minds cannot fathom the idea that God could allow us to undergo great persecution; We must endure… faith is the key

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[Editor's note: If you have not yet listened to the previous series featuring Charles Cooper (The Great Tribulation: Is Fighting An Option?), I highly recommend you check that out before beginning this new series.]

Regardless of where you stand on the timing of the Rapture, I believe this teaching from Charles Cooper is of utmost importance to the Church today.

For the majority of my life I held to a Pre-Trib Rapture position, but about 9 months ago I began to be challenged on the soundness of the Pre-Trib doctrine. When I started reading the Scriptures with more of a normal, natural, face-value approach I was quite shocked at what I discovered.

One thing I can tell you for certain is that it’s worth your time to look into the Pre-Wrath Rapture perspective. If you aren’t able to dive into a full-blown study of it right away, at least go to the prewrathrapture.com website and subscribe to the email updates. You’ll be sure to get some posts sent your way that will really make you think…

I believe the teaching presented by Mr. Cooper is highly relevant for both current and future generations of believers. Whether you think we will personally face Antichrist or not, the bottom line is that a generation of Christians most certainly will.

Either way, it’s a worthy endeavor to study what the believer’s response to intense persecution should be, both before and during the Great Tribulation. Whether it’s us that goes through it, or some future generation of “tribulation saints”, we need to be speaking and writing about these things so Christians know how to lean upon God, not their own understanding, during the End Times.

This will make more sense as you work through the series, and my hope and prayer is that you’ll stick with it, even if you don’t agree with everything Cooper is saying. This teaching, as with the previous series, is difficult and weighty… but in my own personal experience, blessings abound when you consider what God’s Word has to say about these matters.

[Part 1 of a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Flight is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 9/6/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: A significant number of believers would be unable to hide; The evacuation of a metropolitan area would be next to impossible  

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Charles Cooper discusses whether or not Christians should take up arms and physically fight against Antichrist and his minions during the Great Tribulation…

[Part 2 in a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Fighting is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 8/31/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: Revelation 6:9-11; God says He won’t take vengeance until the entire “number” of martyrs have been killed; It is the will of God that the saints are allowed to die–God is allowing it, not preventing it; That throws a monkey wrench in the plan to fight back; You can’t fight against what God is allowing to happen; What Antichrist and his minions are being allowed to do is under the sovereign hand of God; What is the correct response?… just sit back and wait for them to decide to kill you?; The people God is allowing to be killed are faithful followers, not unfaithful Christians

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This is the first of several posts dealing with the subject of whether or not there is a biblical basis for taking up arms against Antichrist and his minions during the Great Tribulation.

The reality is that a generation of Christians will face the most unprecedented persecution that the world has ever known. This is a very sobering reality. But it is one that we can’t ignore. What should the believer’s response be to this kind of persecution, and how can we prepare ahead of time so as not to wander from the Lord and lean upon our own understanding?

This will be a difficult teaching, especially for those that adhere to the pre-trib rapture position (which is what I believed in up until about 6 months ago). I pray that you will stick with this series until the end–I believe it has biblically sound, Spirit-led teaching about FAITH that you may not find anywhere else…

[Part 1 in a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Fighting is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 8/31/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: The degree of lawlessness during the Great Tribulation; Killing will be the order of the day–injustice will prevail; No biblical basis for killing someone to save your life; Lots of verses tell you “if you live by the sword, you will die by the sword”, “if you’re trying to save your life, you will lose your life”; The reality of a generation of believers facing this kind of intense persecution–the call to be sober; What are we going to do if physically fighting is not an option? 

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Chris White from Nowhere to Run presents the idea of a fake “Antichrist” coming onto the scene before the real Antichrist rises to power. The real Antichrist would then destroy this false antichrist in order to pose as Savior, potentially deceiving anyone not grounded in a literal interpretation of Bible prophecy.

This is something I had not thought of before, but it seems to make a whole lot of sense. Nice work, Chris…

Show: Nowhere to Run
Full Podcast: Nowhere To Run 08-21-09
Date: 8/21/09
Host: Chris White
Topics: The Antichrist must destroy a fake “Antichrist” to pose as the true Messiah; If you don’t take the Bible seriously you’ll fall for the deception; World government and wars meant to look like the fulfillment of Bible prophecy; 2012 will play a role in the deception; Predictive programming in movies; Satan is building this New World Order to get people to worship him

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Pastor Charles Cooper from the Prewrath Resource Institute discusses why Christians should be prepared to give their lives for the cause of Christ. Here in America this is not something we think about everyday, but one day we might…

Show: Future Quake
Full Podcast: Biblical Evidence Of The Church’s Exposure To The AntiChrist’s Persecution, And The Proper Response OF Faith
Date: 2/9/09
Host: Dr. Future
Guest: Pastor Charles Cooper
Topics: Persecution not a deterrent to the advancement of the Kingdom of God; The Holy Spirit will guide believers’ response to Antichrist; Overcoming the fear of physical suffering and pain; Willingness to die for Christ; Suffering for Christ is a badge of honor–the ultimate demonstration of our faith in Him

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Pastor Charles Cooper is the founder and director of the Prewrath Resource Institute, which provides educational materials in support of the Prewrath Rapture perspective regarding end times Bible prophecy. After about a year of intense study on the timing of the Rapture, I believe the Prewrath position to be the most biblically defensible of all the primary rapture views that have been articulated (Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, Pre-Wrath, and Post-Trib).

The Prewrath perspective cites biblical evidence that a final generation of believers will face the wrath of Satan at the hands of Antichrist, but that Antichrist’s “great persecution” will be “cut short” when Christ returns to rapture the saints (sometime after the midpoint of Daniel’s 70th week). The primary assertion is that the Rapture will occur after the wrath of Antichrist, but before the wrath of God.

Speaking as someone who loosely held to a Pre-Trib position up until about a year ago, the Prewrath understanding has really jolted me out of a state of indifference to Bible prophecy. Studying what Scripture says will happen in the last days has caused my love for Christ to grow in ways I never knew possible. As I eagerly anticipate His return, I can’t help but marvel at God’s sovereign plan for the end of the age and His glorious Kingdom to come.

But the question arises… what if God calls us to be among the final generation that faces Antichrist? Will we be ready to stand firm in that day? 

One of the things that Pastor Cooper is passionate about is preparing current and future generations of believers for what will be the most intense persecution the world has ever known. Listen to his words of wisdom in this interview on the Future Quake Show, where he discusses what it means to respond with faith in a time of unparalleled suffering for the sake of the gospel.

Show: Future Quake
Full Podcast: Biblical Evidence Of The Church’s Exposure To The AntiChrist’s Persecution, And The Proper Response OF Faith
Date: 2/9/09
Hosts: Dr. Future & Tom Bionic
Guest: Pastor Charles Cooper
Topics: Prewrath Rapture position; A final generation of believers will face the persecution of Antichrist; Defending yourself to the point of violence is outside of what the New Testament teaches; Cooper’s book Fight, Flight, or Faith: How to Survive the Great Tribulation; Realistic understanding of what the persecution will be like; If you want to save your life, you have to be willing to give your life

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In this clip, Russ Dizdar from Preemption Broadcast describes the very real spiritual battle that is raging on around us at all times. He does an excellent job explaining how believers in Christ are under a clear tactical attack from demonic forces with real supernatural abilities. It is the same strategy and method of attack that Satan has been using for the past 2,000 years, with the intent of turning hearts away from the living God…

Show: Preemption Broadcast
Full Podcast: RISE OF HOMOSATANAS…..session 10 A BOASTFUL MOUTH
Date: 8/5/09
Host: Russ Dizdar
Topics: Spiritual warfare; The deceptive speech of Antichrist; Genesis 3; Satan’s attempt to get Job to blame God; Tactics and supernatural abilities of the demonic side; Revelation 13:6; Antichrist will slander the name of God and try to convince the world that God is no good

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