Posts Tagged Clergy

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 7

Posted by on Thursday, 14 June, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss organic church and how we are all part of the body of Christ

[Part 7 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Notes: There is no difference between clergy and laity–we are all called, we are all part of the body of Christ; Organic church–getting back to the New Testament; We have a spiritual DNA; Ekklesia; You start with life; What direction does our DNA take us?

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 6

Posted by on Sunday, 3 June, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss the changing paradigms of pastors coming out of the institutional church

[Part 6 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Jon Zens


Notes:
 When people who are church leaders begin to see that a lot of what they’ve been doing is really out of line with the kingdom of Christ, it’s very hard to change paradigms and to go in a different direction cause it has so many implications and ramifications; The Body is a body, and it needs all the parts, and [the pastor] is just one part–he has a function, but it’s not to be the function in the church, and to run everything, and manage everything, and do everything; The institution is not friendly to New Testament ekklesia–it tends to be very defensive and can often lash out with a vengeance to maintain the status quo; This is not a new teaching that we’re talking about… this is about getting back to the New Testament–getting back to the Word of God; Can we address the truth, with eyes of truth?

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 5

Posted by on Thursday, 31 May, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss some of the ways that the institutional church has gone astray, and what to do about it.

[Part 5 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Jon Zens


Notes: 
It’s a sad system… and many pastors are hurting, but they’re taught to basically just keep it to themselves; The only place they can share their burdens would be with other pastors, and so they have to go to ministers conferences…; We just create this whole system where there are all these pieces that have to fit together, and so pastors end up getting caught up in all this way of thinking; If a person really gets serious about the fact that the clergy position is not biblical and is creating more problems than it solves, they would be wise to take steps in their own life and their own ministry to… just function among the people as a brother–to step away, and begin to let the body of Christ come forth… and let others begin to function

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 4

Posted by on Sunday, 27 May, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss some of the ways that the institutional church has gone astray…

[Part 4 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Jon Zens

Notes: When you put that much burden on one person [the pastor], is it any wonder that they crack so often?; God never intended anybody to carry that kind of burden; Paul said in 1 Cor. 12, the body is not one part, but many… what would happen if our body tried to function with one part doing everything?; If we look at the body of Christ today and we see that for the most part, the domination of one part–is it any wonder that the body is not in health? If our physical wouldn’t operate like that, how would a spiritual body operate?; The only head–the only final leader–is Jesus… He’s the head of the church, He’s the one who is watching over the church, and He never intended for one person to be a head honcho in the church

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 3

Posted by on Thursday, 24 May, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss some of the ways that the institutional church has gone astray…

[Part 3 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Jon Zens


Notes:
 Unfortunately Luther and Calvin and Zwingli and the Reformers basically maintained and continued the clergy/laity distinction–they broke with overt Catholicism, but they did not break with the basic problem of the clergy being elevated above the laity, so that Protestantism never really was reformed fully in terms of liberating the body of Christ; In terms of the priesthood of all believers really becoming a functioning thing in the reformed Reformation churches never really happened, because they just pushed the sacramental table out, and put the pulpit in its place… and so now instead of having the centrality of the mass, you now had the centrality of the preacher, and so the sermon became the climax of the Protestant meeting; Unfortunately the laity is just sitting there passively… the gifts of all the brethren are basically just lying dormant and not really doing anything, because there’s no opportunity given; The bottom line is the New Testament has a much bigger vision

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 2

Posted by on Sunday, 20 May, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss some of the ways that the institutional church has gone astray…

[Part 2 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Jon Zens


Notes: 
There’s nothing more fundamentally pervasive in the religious system–all religious groups have clergy/laity in terms of mainline denominations; It’s just assumed that there are clergy and there are laity… it’s an assumption that looms behind everything that’s done; And yet when you look at the New Testament scholars from all stripes who have looked at the situation in the New Testament, they all admit that there is no clergy/laity distinction in the New Testament; You’ve got hundreds and hundreds of Christians who are just basically sitting passively in pews and singing some songs, and putting money in the plate and listening to a sermon and going home, and there’s no participation of the body–there’s no development of the gifts resident in every believer; The body of Christ is stifled by this clergy/laity distinction; It’s just basically assumed that only certain people can baptize others, only certain people can do the Lord’s Supper, only certain people can teach–there’s all these assumptions, and they’re all wrong; When you look at the New Testament, you see a totally different picture… it was a body with all the parts participating and contributing

Jon Zens: Institutional Vs. Organic Church – Part 1

Posted by on Wednesday, 16 May, 2012

Jon Zens and Kenny Russell discuss some of the ways in which the institutional church has gone astray…

[Part 1 of a 14-part series]

Show: Gottalife Radio
Full Podcast: Capture The Moment – A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile with Jon Zens
Date: 3/9/09
Host: Kenny Russell
Guest: Jon Zens

 

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Jon Zens


Notes:
 Jon Zens’ book “A Church Building Every 1/2 Mile“; Is this what Jesus died for, to create this religious bureaucracy that we have?; As you look back over church history, one of the very fundamental and key factors that caused the direction of the visible body of Christ to go astray was the development of the clergy/laity system; Since anywhere between 150-250 AD you had the development of the separation in the body of Christ of those that were ordained and those who weren’t, and we came to call that the clergy/laity distinction