[Part 7 of an 8-Part series]

Show: The Jesse Woodrow Show
Full Podcast: CHRISTIANS vs MARTIAL LAW and THE GREAT TRIBULATION
Date: 2/25/10
Host: Jesse Woodrow
Topics: Jesus put the ear of the servant Malchus back on; He told Simon Peter to put his sword away; Even in the face of death, Jesus didn’t authorize or accept violence; Not one verse in the entire New Testament says you should commit violence against anyone; We know there will be a great tribulation… would God have you pick up your arms and shoot and kill the person at your door?; How did the first church respond to the greatest persecution in the history of mankind?–They did not respond violently

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Jesse Woodrow

Show: The Jesse Woodrow Show
Full Podcast: CHRISTIANS vs MARTIAL LAW and THE GREAT TRIBULATION
Date: 2/25/10
Host: Jesse Woodrow
Topics: Violence; Taking vengeance (revenge); Inflicting hurt or harm on someone for an injury or wrong suffered; Nahum 1:2-3; Jude 1:15-16; Revenge is for the Lord

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Show: The Jesse Woodrow Show
Full Podcast: CHRISTIANS vs MARTIAL LAW and THE GREAT TRIBULATION
Date: 2/25/10
Host: Jesse Woodrow
Topics: Luke 21:20-28; The “great tribulation” is Satan’s wrath, not God’s; Revelation 12:12 ; How would Jesus have us respond to this type of persecution and killing?

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What will you do when the time comes?

[Part 1 of an 8-Part series]

Show: The Jesse Woodrow Show
Full Podcast: CHRISTIANS vs MARTIAL LAW and THE GREAT TRIBULATION
Date: 2/25/10
Host: Jesse Woodrow
Topics: Christians will be persecuted in the future; What should our response be?; Is violence ok?; What about martial law?; What about the Great Tribulation?

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I agree with Mr. Goldmaker regarding the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church. I believe the Rapture will occur AFTER the persecution/tribulation/wrath of Satan (through Antichrist) but BEFORE the wrath of God, as indicated in the following chart:

Click here for a more detailed explanation of the differences between the “Post-Trib” and “Pre-Wrath” viewpoints.

[I believe Jesse essentially holds to a "Pre-Wrath" perspective, but prefers the "Post-Trib" label in order to emphasize that the Rapture occurs AFTER the tribulation/persecution/wrath of Satan through Antichrist.]

Show: The Jesse Woodrow Show
Full Podcast: Freedom of Speech Fridays
Date: 2/12/10
Host: Jesse Woodrow
Topics: Post-Trib/Pre-Wrath Rapture; Tribulation; Battle of Armageddon; The days are “cut short”; Luke 17:28-29

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Show: Preemption Broadcast
Full Podcast: THE RISE OF HOMOSATANAS SESSION 15 – Satan in human skin….satan or nephilim?
Date: 11/25/09
Host: Russ Dizdar
Topics: The Antichrist is not a beast coming up out of the abyss, which occurs later on in the Tribulation period; All that comes out of the abyss are in no way human; Revelation 9 – accurate revelation of these spiritual creatures that attack and destroy; 1 John 2 – The Antichrist will be a physical human man as far as his appearance; He will be a powerful, supernatural man, and will rise in the context of political powers; 2 Thessalonians 2 – Antichrist referred to as “the man of lawlessness”; The Spirit of God calls him “the man”, He never calls him “nephilim”, “spirit”, or “creature” from the abyss; The Spirit of God reveals him as a man, but yet… Satan in human skin; The implications are massive

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Here are some quick-links to the Charles Cooper audio clips I’ve posted on this site to date:

Facing Antichrist: Fight, Flight, Or Faith?
Facing Antichrist: Are We Willing To Die For Jesus?
Charles Cooper: What’s Happening In Israel – Part 1 (Part 2 / 3)
The Great Tribulation: Is Fighting An Option? – Part 1 (Part 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6)
The Great Tribulation: Is Fleeing An Option? – Part 1 (Part 2 / 3 / 4 / 5 / 6)
The Great Tribulation: Faith Is The Only Option – Part 1 (Part 2 / 3 / 4)

Show: P.I.D. Radio
Full Podcast: P.I.D. Radio 12/6/09: Copenhagen, Hopenhagen, or Gropenhagen?
Date: 12/6/09
Hosts: Derek Gilbert, Sharon Gilbert
Topics: Waking Jonah podcast; Cognitive dissonance; Charles Cooper; The Pre-Wrath model for the End Times timeline; Whether it’s Pre-Trib or Pre-Wrath, we have today, and that’s it; If we’re gone on the first day of Daniel’s 70th Week, then we leave something behind; If we’re still here during a portion of it, then we need to prepare now; We need to learn as much as we can and be on our knees as much as we can; What is the proper Christian response? Do we stock up on gold and guns to get through the tribulation portion leading up to the Day of the Lord, or do we not?; Charles Cooper’s position–backed by Scripture–is that we are not supposed to fight the forces of the Antichrist with guns

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The Great Tribulation: Is Fighting An Option?
The Great Tribulation: Is Fleeing An Option?

In this clip, Charles Cooper concludes the discussion about faith–not fight or flight–being the only option during the Great Persecution of Antichrist.

To study these topics in greater depth, Cooper’s book “Fight, Flight or Faith: How to Survive the Great Tribulation” is an excellent resource.

[Part 4 of a 4-Part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Faith is the Only Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 9/20/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: To endure we must be people of great faith; You’re going to have to trust the sovereign plan of God; What He is allowing to happen is His will, and what He allows to happen to you is His will for your life; How you respond will indicate whether or not you fully appreciate that; Our minds cannot fathom the idea that God could allow us to undergo great persecution; We must endure… faith is the key

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The Great Tribulation: Is Fighting An Option?
The Great Tribulation: Is Fleeing An Option?

[Part 3 of a 4-Part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Faith is the Only Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 9/20/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: The Great Tribulation will end just as God has decreed–with the glorious manifestation of Jesus Christ to deliver His people and pour out wrath on the wicked; It initiates the Day of the Lord, during which God will accomplish the salvation of Israel; God sovereignly decreed it, He sovereignly executed it, and it will sovereignly end; What is our response to the sovereignty of God?; We will have two responsibilities in connection with this final period: to endure and to have faith

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The Great Tribulation: Is Fighting An Option?
The Great Tribulation: Is Fleeing An Option?

[Part 2 of a 4-Part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Faith is the Only Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 9/20/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: Regardless of the nature of the final 7-year period, it is God’s sovereign decreed time; He is allowing it to happen and it will ultimately be a fulfillment of His divine will–we are in good hands; If God sovereignly allows it, it is not going to be contrary to His will; Part of the 70th week is God’s permissive will, part of it is His perfect will; The period of time is sovereignly decreed, sovereignly executed, and sovereignly ended

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The Great Tribulation: Is Fighting An Option?
The Great Tribulation: Is Fleeing An Option?

In this new series, Charles Cooper from the Prewrath Resource Institute emphasizes the need for faith in enduring the persecution of Antichrist during the Great Tribulation.

In the first audio clip, Cooper discusses the sovereignty of God in connection with this period of time…

[Part 1 of a 4-Part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Faith is the Only Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 9/20/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: Cooper’s book “Fight, Flight, or Faith: How to Survive the Great Tribulation“; God has called us to a life of faith; Revelation 13:5-10 – “If anyone is to be taken captive, to captivity he goes; if anyone is to be slain with the sword, with the sword must he be slain.“; The strongest statement of the sovereign control of God in connection with this period that occurs in the Revelation; The final week of Daniel is first a sovereignly decreed period

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Here’s an excerpt from a more detailed explanation of the view (posted on the Prewrath Resource Institute website):

“The timing issue can be settled if the beginning of the Day of the Lord can be determined within the frame work of end-time events. The Prewrath position acknowledges that the eschatological Day of the Lord will be signaled by a sign given in the sun, moon, and stars, a sign distinctly described in the eschatological book of Joel. Jesus indicates in the Olivet Discourse that His Parousia will immediately follow the sign Joel prophesied, which marks the inception of the eschatological Day of the Lord. Jesus also indicated in His revelation to John that Joel’s sign in the sun, moon, and stars will be the sign that announces the day in which His wrath begins, a sign given in the heavenlies that will be displayed at the breaking of the sixth seal.

Therefore, as one compares the six seals to the events outlined in the Olivet Discourse, one quickly sees that the rapture must occur after the Seventieth Week of Daniel begins, after the mid-point of that same Week has begun, and after Satan/Antichrist’s persecution of the Church is cut short (Matt. 24:22) when the sign of the eschatological Day of the Lord and the parousia of Christ is given in the sun, moon, and stars. The exact day or hour when the sixth seal will be broken is not detailed in the Scriptures (Matt. 24:36), but when that happens it will announce to the entire world the inception of the eschatological Day of the Lord.”

Here is a basic comparison of the four primary views on the timing of the Rapture:

Show: Echo Zoe
Full Podcast: Ryan Habbena: Pre-Wrath Rapture – Part 1
Date: 8/9/08
Host: Andy Olson
Guest: Ryan Habbena
Topics: Pre-Wrath view of Rapture–the name is new, but the understanding is not; A lot of early church fathers could have been labeled “Pre-Wrath” because they held to the essence of the view; Distinct from Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, and Post-Trib; The Rapture will become imminent at a certain point in time, it just isn’t imminent yet; Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath are similar in that they both believe the Church is exempt from the wrath of God–where they disagree is in what constitutes the “wrath of God”; Pre-Wrath’s contention is that the wrath of God consists of the Day of the Lord–that is what we are promised to be exempt from; The Day of the Lord does not begin until sometime in the second half of Daniel’s 70th week

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Ryan’s new book:

[Part 6 of a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Flight is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 9/6/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: The only group of people promised a place to hide are those in Judea who “flee to the mountains” (Matthew 24:15-16); God will supernaturally hide those people from Antichrist and his forces; The only time/place you should hide is if you are fleeing with the Jews in Jerusalem to the “mountains/wilderness” south of Israel; (When the Jews came out of Egypt, if you were with them, you got protection); Wherever the Jews go in that day, it will be safe

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[Part 5 of a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Flight is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 9/6/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: Hiding will not be an option because so many people will be looking for you; The right option is an option of faith; You’re going to have to trust and obey; Fighting is not an option, neither is flight–there will be no place to go if your goal is to hide physically; There is a place to go if your goal is to spiritually hide–you have to run to the cross; It will be in plain view for everybody to see, but it will give you safety

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[Part 4 of a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Flight is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 9/6/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: Population of the earth when the end comes–how much higher than 6 billion people will it be?; That many people will make it impossible for you to hide; The level of hatred among family members will make the price of a Christian’s life extremely valuable; You won’t be able to trust anyone… who will you tell about your secret hiding place? Are you sure they will keep your secret?

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[Part 3 of a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Flight is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 9/6/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: Millions of Christians simply wouldn’t be able to hide for 3 1/2 years–the logistics would make it impossible; New technologies can easily locate and identify people; You’d have to go underground and stay there–how many places are there like that in America?

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Here is more from Pastor Charles Cooper from the Prewrath Resource Institute on whether or not fleeing will be a possibility during the Great Tribulation…

[Part 2 of a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Flight is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 9/6/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: Chicago evacuation hypothetical–think of the logistics

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Regardless of where you stand on the timing of the Rapture, I believe this teaching from Charles Cooper is of utmost importance to the Church today.

For the majority of my life I held to a Pre-Trib Rapture position, but about 9 months ago I began to be challenged on the soundness of the Pre-Trib doctrine. When I started reading the Scriptures with more of a normal, natural, face-value approach I was quite shocked at what I discovered.

One thing I can tell you for certain is that it’s worth your time to look into the Pre-Wrath Rapture perspective. If you aren’t able to dive into a full-blown study of it right away, at least go to the prewrathrapture.com website and subscribe to the email updates. You’ll be sure to get some posts sent your way that will really make you think…

I believe the teaching presented by Mr. Cooper is highly relevant for both current and future generations of believers. Whether you think we will personally face Antichrist or not, the bottom line is that a generation of Christians most certainly will.

Either way, it’s a worthy endeavor to study what the believer’s response to intense persecution should be, both before and during the Great Tribulation. Whether it’s us that goes through it, or some future generation of “tribulation saints”, we need to be speaking and writing about these things so Christians know how to lean upon God, not their own understanding, during the End Times.

This will make more sense as you work through the series, and my hope and prayer is that you’ll stick with it, even if you don’t agree with everything Cooper is saying. This teaching, as with the previous series, is difficult and weighty… but in my own personal experience, blessings abound when you consider what God’s Word has to say about these matters.

[Part 1 of a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Flight is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 9/6/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: A significant number of believers would be unable to hide; The evacuation of a metropolitan area would be next to impossible  

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“I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33)

“So we do not lose heart. Though our outer self is wasting away, our inner self is being renewed day by day. For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:16-18)

[Part 6 in a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Fighting is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 8/31/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: The spirit of injustice will be almost unbearable; The level of abuse and persecution will be unparalleled and there will be no remedy; That’s when we have to depend on our God; Some generation of believers will have to face this, and the church is doing absolutely nothing to get people ready–we must be ready; Fighting simply is not an option; We have not been given a spirit of fear; The will of God be done

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The picture should start getting a little more clear…

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Fighting is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 8/31/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: Killing not an option because of who you would have to kill; Mark 13:12-13 – You’d be fighting against your own family; The very person you may have to put the gun to is your own child–that is not what God is calling us to; “And you will be hated by all for my name’s sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved” (physically delivered); Endurance is having the spiritual fortitude to not yield to the desire to revert to “eye for eye and tooth for tooth”; God will not set aside His Word during this time–we must have the courage to stand on it; Learn how to walk by faith in the face of great opposition

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Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Fighting is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 8/31/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: Dying is not the worst thing that can happen to you; We want to fight because we’re Americans, not because we’re Christians; There will come a time when injustice is the order of the day; Paul and other New Testament writers understood that to die for Christ is a privilege; Millions of Christians simply will not be able to fight during this time; There is a better option–we must be people of faith; Death for Christ is an honor, and it always will be; Acts 21:13-14 – Paul understood that dying is not the worst thing that can happen to a believer, being found unfaithful is; Faithfulness at any cost

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[Part 3 in a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Fighting is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 8/31/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: There will be a certain number of people martyred for the cause, and there’s nothing you can do; Fighting not an option because you’d find yourself in opposition to what God is allowing; Revelation 14:12 – You will have to endure, you will have to fight… but your fighting is not to live, but to be faithful; Revelation 20:4 – The consequence for giving witness/testimony to Christ goes up (to capital punishment)

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[Part 2 in a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Fighting is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 8/31/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: Revelation 6:9-11; God says He won’t take vengeance until the entire “number” of martyrs have been killed; It is the will of God that the saints are allowed to die–God is allowing it, not preventing it; That throws a monkey wrench in the plan to fight back; You can’t fight against what God is allowing to happen; What Antichrist and his minions are being allowed to do is under the sovereign hand of God; What is the correct response?… just sit back and wait for them to decide to kill you?; The people God is allowing to be killed are faithful followers, not unfaithful Christians

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The reality is that a generation of Christians will face the most unprecedented persecution that the world has ever known. This is a very sobering reality. But it is one that we can’t ignore. What should the believer’s response be to this kind of persecution, and how can we prepare ahead of time so as not to wander from the Lord and lean upon our own understanding?

This will be a difficult teaching, especially for those that adhere to the pre-trib rapture position (which is what I believed in up until about 6 months ago). I pray that you will stick with this series until the end–I believe it has biblically sound, Spirit-led teaching about FAITH that you may not find anywhere else…

[Part 1 in a 6-part series]

Show: Prewrath Radio Online
Full Podcast: Fighting is Not an Option During the Great Tribulation
Date: 8/31/09
Host: Charles Cooper
Topics: The degree of lawlessness during the Great Tribulation; Killing will be the order of the day–injustice will prevail; No biblical basis for killing someone to save your life; Lots of verses tell you “if you live by the sword, you will die by the sword”, “if you’re trying to save your life, you will lose your life”; The reality of a generation of believers facing this kind of intense persecution–the call to be sober; What are we going to do if physically fighting is not an option? 

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