Waking Jonah

Frank Viola discusses the institutional church vs. organic church…

[Part 8 of an 8-Part series]

Show: Nomad Podcast
Full Podcast: Nomad 8: Frank Viola and Organic Church
Date: 9/10/09
Guest: Frank Viola
Notes: The future of the church in the next 10-30 years; The organic expression of the church… Christians that meet in homes, do not have a clergy, do not have a modern pastoral role, where every member is functioning, where every member is taking leadership, where people are making decisions together as the church, where there is a holding strong to God’s eternal purpose, a true understanding of that and expressing it as community… will be far more widely accepted than it is today; What’s happening is what happened in the first Reformation; The first Reformation under Luther, Calvin, etc. did not change the institutional church–all it did was it created a new way of meeting and a new theology that was different from the accepted church of the day; The Catholic church didn’t go away with Reformation, it’s still as strong as ever; In 30 years, the organic expression of the church will be just as accepted as the Catholic and Protestant church

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[Part 51 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]

Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: Restoring the Apostles’ Doctrine
Date: 5/5/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: There are many versions of baptism today–submersion, immersion, sprinkling, pouring, infant baptism, trine baptism, Matthew 28:19, etc.; How far can you go changing the model until the model is no longer the model?; Restorationists say it’s better if you don’t tweak the model at all–it’s better if you just obey the model you have in Scripture, because we don’t have the authority to change the model; To what degree can you change the model and still have authentic Christianity?; Speaking in tongues as the initial evidence of people receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit–If you throw that out the window, on what authority can you claim anyone has received the baptism of the Holy Spirit?; If you’re going to tweak the model, on what/who’s authority do you get to change it?; Protestant Reformation; Catholic Church; Martin Luther; Reformation inside the Catholic Church; If the church today looked exactly like it did when Luther stepped on the scene, to what extent would that sort of Christianity be authentic?; Common tradition of Christianity vs. a primitive/restorationist model that leapfrogs over history back into the New Testament

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[Part 47 of an ongoing series. Click here for Part 1.]

Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Pentecostal Movement
Date: 4/28/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Challenge to take the Bible prayerfully and ask, “God, what do you want for my life?”; This is not a conversation about you and church history, it’s a conversation about you, the Bible, and God; You don’t seek to be faithful to a tradition, you seek to be faithful to this Revelation; Ask the question, “Is it in this Book, and does God want me to have it?”; If you pray that way, God will lead you exactly to what you need–God will reveal Himself to you; Restorationism – Restoring the Apostles’ doctrine; The Protestant Reformation said “sola scriptura” (Scripture alone) as well, but that’s not what they did; Principles about coming to Scripture and not tainting it by human reasoning or ideas

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[Part 36 of an ongoing series]

Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Pentecostal Movement
Date: 4/28/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: The historic church made sharp turns away from New Testament teachings; Protestant Reformation; Martin Luther; Attempts to restore the Christian faith; Martin Luther didn’t attempt to restore Christian doctrine all the way back to pre-council/pre-creed days… he made assumptions about the first 700-800 years of the church; After Luther, additional reformers tried to get even farther back, closer to the New Testament; Reformed theology; Anabaptists; Efforts to continue to restore Christianity; Holiness Movement; John Wesley; Justification; Sanctification; Experiences with God that empower you to overcome sin on a daily basis; Baptism in the Spirit

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[Part 31 of an ongoing series]

Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: Early American Christianity to the Holiness Movement
Date: 4/21/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: John Wesley; Conversion experience; Wesley not Calvinistic, but Arminian; People are not predestined to be damned or saved, but you have a choice to respond to the grace of God; Huge divergence from a majority of the Protestant Reformation; Doctrine of sanctification–holiness; Luther believed we are justified sinners; Wesley believed we can overcome sin and live a holy life; Wesley gets people thinking in a different framework about the power of the Holy Spirit working in us

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[Part 26 of an ongoing series]

Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: Early American Christianity to the Holiness Movement
Date: 4/21/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Social and political climate in the United States where people can actually live out the claims of the Reformation; Calvin and the reformers–double standard; American Christianity fundamentally different than anything that came before it; Founding Fathers; Declaration of Independence; American Constitution; Many of the founding fathers were deists–not conservative evangelical Christians–but they founded a republic where people could live out their faith

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[Part 23 of an ongoing series]

Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: Early American Christianity to the Holiness Movement
Date: 4/21/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Protestant Reformation; Luther; Zwingli; Calvin; 4 threads of Protestantism: Lutheranism, Reformed churches, Anabaptists, Anglicans (Church of England); The English Reformation; King Henry VIII; Puritans; Catholic Church; Division in the church; Mary Tudor; Protestant scholars and pastors

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[Part 22 of an ongoing series]

Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: Early American Christianity to the Holiness Movement
Date: 4/21/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Attempts to get back to Scripture; Protestant Reformation; Splintering of Christendom; Protestant churches “protested” (pulled away from) the Catholic Church; Claims of Orthodoxy: Who is Right?; What does it mean to be a faithful believer in the message of Scripture (to be fully Christian in a New Testament sense)?; Why is there a Pentecostal movement (historically and doctrinally)?; Early American Christianity; Holiness Movement; Restoring the Apostles’ Doctrine

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[Part 21 of an ongoing series]

Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Protestant Reformation
Date: 4/14/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: How did the reformers think of each other?… Martin Luther wouldn’t even recognize Ulrich Zwingli as a Christian–called him “the devil’s martyr”; Zwingli approved of the martyr of many of the Anabaptists; John Calvin assented to the death of Michael Servetus; Reforms never really went back to the New Testament, even though they had echoes of the New Testament; Pentecostal movement in the 20th Century; Pentecostals have a “restorationist” theology that goes back to the Reformation cry of “Scripture alone”; Settlement of Christians in North America; John Wesley; Something fundamentally different about American Christianity

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[Part 20 of an ongoing series]

Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Protestant Reformation
Date: 4/14/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Protestantism; Anglicans – Church of England; King Henry VIII; Church formed for political reasons, not theological ones; Begins to formulate its own direction and theology–winds up in the same place as other protestant groups with two sacraments: baptism and Eucharist; Embraces justification by faith; Anglican Church is a break-off from the Catholic Church; Anglican priest named John Wesley starts the Methodist movement; Wesley comes up with the doctrine of sanctification; Holiness movement comes out of Wesley’s doctrine of sanctification; Pentecostal movement comes out of the Holiness movement (as a further development of the doctrine of sanctification)

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[Part 19 of an ongoing series]

Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Protestant Reformation
Date: 4/14/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Anabaptists believed in the separation of church and state; Even in the Reformation, churches were still state churches; Zwingli was the head of a state, led an army, and helped strategize to attack and kill people; Churches and the state were intricately intertwined with one another; The Anabaptists broke off of Zwingli’s group and were persecuted severely by other reformers; Anabaptists were concerned not with tradition, but with what Scripture says; John Calvin systematizes what Zwingli has set in motion–develops it into a full-bodied system of theology; Calvin was raised a Catholic, converted later in life; Views on the Eucharist (Lord’s Supper) – the presence of Christ through the power of His Spirit

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[Part 18 of an ongoing series]

Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Protestant Reformation
Date: 4/14/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Anabaptists – people that “baptize again”; More restorationist than either Luther or Zwingli; Trying to restore the church without regard to history or traditions; Believer’s baptism; Even Luther retained the belief of infant baptism; Anabaptists found in Scripture that people must believe, repent, and have faith–they began to re-baptize adults; Free will vs. Predestination; Hyper view of justification by faith; Calvin’s views on faith and works of grace; Anabaptists say you have a choice–you can either accept or reject the gospel; Distinct conversion experience; Views on baptism

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[Part 17 of an ongoing series]

Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Protestant Reformation
Date: 4/14/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Luther; Zwingli; Reform; Appeal to Scripture; Zwingli pushes the envelope even farther–is committed to only appealing to Scripture even more than Luther was; Luther does an excellent job of getting us started–and has a lot of courage–but doesn’t go all the way back to the New Testament; He doesn’t jump past the creeds, councils, and doctrines that had already evolved; Luther assumed that all the creeds and councils were right–he didn’t do a full restoration in the New Testament; Zwingli was more concerned with Scripture than with tradition; John Calvin takes Zwingli’s ideas and pushes them forward

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[Part 16 of an ongoing series]

Ministry: New Life Church of Austin, TX
Full Podcast: The Protestant Reformation
Date: 4/14/10
Speaker: Rodney Shaw
Topics: Seven sacraments developed over time: baptism, confirmation, penance, Eucharist, marriage, ordination, extreme unction; Martin Luther threw them all away except for two: baptism and Eucharist (Lord’s Supper); Transubstantiation vs. Consubstantiation; Luther said that everyone should partake of the juice and of the bread, not just priests; Luther kicks off the Protestant Reformation; Ulrich Zwingli – Reformation leader in Switzerland; 4 main branches in Protestant Movement: Lutheranism (Luther), Reformed theology (Calvin/Zwingli), Anabaptists, and Anglicanism (Church of England)

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Rodney Shaw